Thursday, 15 March 2018

Iodine

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Hi group, I have something I feel I need to share. I see so many folks in here and in some of my other health groups with thyroid issues, the overwhelming majority of which is women. I apologize now for the lengthy post, but there is a lot to know. I talk a lot about Iodine, and too often the response is, people think they don't need it. I'm no medical expert, I'll admit that up front, but in the past 10 years since I changed my WOE, I have given Iodine most of my attention, and hence I understand it a bit more than most. I guess that is because I found that it is probably the single most important nutrient in our lives, and yet it is the least understood. I hope to change the perception that it is something we don't need.
It isn't possible to show all of the things the body uses Iodine for in one post, but since we are seeing an epidemic of thyroid issues these days, including in this group, where many have seen some improvement, (but many still struggle with it), I thought I would start with the thyroid, which uses that majority of Iodine in the body. So I would like to show a graphic, since a picture is worth a thousand words, that shows how the thyroid hormones T3 & T4 are made by the thyroid. Many people take artificial or animal thyroid hormones for their thyroid. To the right in the photo, you see the blood vein, which carries Iodine to the symporters, where it starts the process of making hormones. Follow the arrows and you see, out comes the 2 main hormones, T3 (Triiodothyronine - notice the name Iodo) and T4 (Thyroxine). The numbers 3 & 4 indicates how many molecules of Iodine each has. It isn't rocket science to see that a lack of Iodine is going to affect normal thyroid hormone production.
You also don't need to be an MD to learn that the thyroid hormones are the master hormones, and so if you have a failing thyroid, other hormones start failing as well (domino effect). The other hormones control things such as ovulation and fertility, sustainability of a fetus in the uterus, and also breast milk production and maybe more I'm not aware of. They are the sex hormones, and to many of us, are very important indeed! Women are the most affected by hormonal issues, due to the complexity of them all. You have to look hard to find a man who has Hashimoto's for example, but not a woman.
I hope there is a realization that Iodine is not a drug, not something weird or strange, not some fad or anything else one might say about it. Life simply would NOT exist as it should if our mother is very deficient in Iodine during her pregnancy. Life STARTS with Iodine being key and it's importance never diminishes throughout our lives. Google Cretinism for more on it's importance to fetuses. Goiters were nearly eliminated after they started putting Iodine in salt and bread way back when.
I know this is a meat group, and we learn so much here about healthy living, BUT I see many coming here with lingering issues that they brought here with them to this WOE, and so I feel it is important to at least gain a little better awareness of the single most important nutrient that exists. We don't need to turn this into an Iodine group either, I would just suggest joining (yes another group) a good Iodine group that follows the teachings of Dr Guy Abraham and Dr David Brownstein and doesn't try to sell you anything in order to ask them any questions. One group has helped thousands with Hashi's, including some in this group. I want to end with a couple of myth busters. 1. - It is virtually impossible to overdose on Iodine for 2 reasons, a.- it's extremely difficult to get a large amount in you at one time, and b. - your body can only absorb a limited amount in the 90 minutes it takes for Iodine to be sent to the kidneys. Iodine goes out in your urine, and can be measured in a urine test, along with certain toxins (Halides) from the same family as Iodine, 2. - Hashimoto's patients by the thousands depend on Iodine for some relief from their symptoms, and you can ask them in those Iodine groups. It is hard to dispute so many Hashi's people not having problems taking high dose Iodine and in fact DID experience problems when they took small doses.
I highly recommend the guide in this link for supplementing with Iodine. Hope all this is of some help in showing how we DO in fact need Iodine, and in light of seeing SO many sufferers of thyroid disorders, it ought to be obvious we aren't getting enough. We have come to the right WOE, but not all can be fixed by it, sometimes we do have to add some things ALONG with our terrific WOE, unfortunately...http://steppingstonesliving.com/theguide/
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Kahno Pinay This is the molecular structure of some of the thyroid hormomes, the I's being Iodine molecules. No Iodine, no thyroid hormonesManage
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Kahno Pinay This is a page from the 1950 Merck manual which shows that Iodine was used to treat Hypothyroidism, but since drug companies came out with synthetic hormones, Iodine is no longer prescribed unless you go to an Alternative doctor. 

"The Merck Manuals 
are medical references published by the American pharmaceutical company Merck & Co. (known as MSD outside the United States), that cover a wide range of medical topics, including disorders, tests, diagnoses, and drugs. The manuals have been published since 1899, when Merck & Co. was still a subsidiary of the German company Merck."
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Michael FriezeMichael is an administrator in this group. I am assuming you typed this out on a computer and didn't know how to use paragraphs. Hit shift + enter for paragraphs.
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Vonda Greek Smith Hey there Kahno Pinay!! As you well know, I’m a huge iodiner! I 💯% canNOT function without it! Thanks for a great post. Very informative!
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Dave Green Read what' happening in Germany since Iodine was added to many foods. Also, ZC and Keto dieters don't consume foods that may have added ingredients that are negative to one's health, so there's nothing to eradicate. And then there's also the question of measured iodine levels in urine that doesn't take into account those in feces. Sorry, but it's not a nutrient I would want to play with
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Dave Green What happened to my previous comment? I'm not going to rewrite my comment but will post a few links

https://www.westonaprice.org/.../the-great-iodine-debate/
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Kahno Pinay Join a group with experienced Hashi's folks and try to tell them they are wrong. It's like trying to tell us in this group that ZC is a WOE they don't want to play with either. Experience trumps everything
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Michael FriezeMichael is an administrator in this group. Not sure what happened to your previous comment. No one deleted it unless you did by accident and that isn't likely. I have seen Facebook erase some of my comments before. I know none of the other admins deleted them, but they just dissapeared. Also, a few times they just showed up later.
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Michael FriezeMichael is an administrator in this group. I also don't supplement iodine. I just try not to take supplements unless I am 100% sure of it and I even hesitate with vitamin D. 

After 8 years I feel great and don't want to mess with anything right now. Things are good. I found my rhythm and if th
at changes then maybe I'll consider it, but I feel better every year. 

There is just something wrong with supplementing. It is unnatural in my mind and I see it as a medication. I don't see it as being part of my meal. When I need that medication, I will take it and I hope to never need to take a daily medication ever again.
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Michael FriezeMichael is an administrator in this group. Kahno Pinay has been an iodine advocate since day one and that was quite a while ago LOL

But, it seems to work for him.
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Dave Green Michael Frieze To put it mildly...being an advocate that is
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Dave Green Michael Frieze Yeh, weird....no biggie as I was able to re post
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Kahno Pinay I posted about it because I am seeing our people having great results with our WOE and yet still suffering with thyroid issues, especially those with Hashi's, and because I have witnessed so many ladies helped by taking Iodine, some in this group. When I was in the Iodine group, I saw people helped by Iodine but missing one thing, THIS group, and it's WOE. I'm a BIG advocate of both!
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Dave Green Kahno Pinay We were discussing one of my comments not yours
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Michael FriezeMichael is an administrator in this group. I know Kahno Pinay and I do think your information about iodine is valuable. I think there are probably plenty of people that could use it and get the help they need. 

Its just going to be hard to get me to do such a thing, but I dont' think you made these post for me. I am sure you already know how I am by now.
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Kahno Pinay Yeah, I know, you're not suffering. It's more for those that have a serious deficiency. Men usually don't need it, it's women who do and if you look around the group, it's easy to see many women with thyroid issues, so I think something needs to be done. The WHO says Iodine deficiency is a worldwide epidemic, and I agree, it's worse then they realize! Google IDD
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Michael FriezeMichael is an administrator in this group. I am seeing more histamine issues than thyroid issues these days, but I do see both.
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Christine Tolczyk Thank you for this. I supplement, need it desperately and unfortunately others just have no clue what's missing in their body...women having hysterectomies in their 30's 40's... happening to all my friends due to fibro/cystic conditions after years of struggle, pain...I'll take my iodine please!
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Kari Fanning I'm on day 3 of iodine supplementation, starting with 12.5 mg.
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Melissa Rebeca What iodine supplement do you recommend? I also know that it helps to remineralize teeth. 😊😊
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Vonda Greek Smith I use Lugols 5% iodine as I’m pretty sure Kahno does as well. He’ll confirm.
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Kahno Pinay That's what we use, no particular brand
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Amy Van Oostende I would pair it with Selenium and start slowly.
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Sandy Cross Thanks for this info, Kahno Pinay. I'll look into this.
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David Andrew Baird I daub iodine on my wrists every morning - I’m told the body will absorb transdermally what it needs. Is this correct?
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Kahno Pinay For the most part, no. You do absorb a small percentage but it's not enough and not the normal route for Iodine. It is a nutrient that is found in the food chain, so the normal route is oral. However, I have seen ladies, my wife included that ADD th...See More
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David Andrew Baird well I can throw a few drops in my food too
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Kahno Pinay Doesn't hurt unless you have Hashi's! Bigger is better with Iodine. I don't have Hashi's but one thing I can speak on is going big. I've researched the historical use of high Iodine doses and I've gone higher than those that I could find. I have ta...See More
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David Andrew Baird Will research it a bit, thanks!
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Evans Dealio Kahno Pinay 

I have joined a few iodine groups. It feels like a mess. 
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Mary Burgin Kahno Pinay iodine is bad for hashi & autoimmune disorders, like leaky gut?
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Kari Fanning 5% Lugols - One drop is 2.5 mg Iodine and 3.75 mg Iodide, so a total of 6.25 mg. 

From what I've read starting with 1 or 2 drops and increasing your dose every week or so is a good starting point. 
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Evans Dealio Kari Fanning thank you Kari!
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Kari Fanning I would do plenty of reading before diving in... Join iodine groups, buy some books, etc... I read the Iodine Crisis, there's probably others worth checking out too.
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Evans Dealio Kari Fanning I have. But I am reluctant... it is as if my mind screams no to supplements. 

With all the warnings and whatnot. 
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Kari Fanning I don't blame you on being hesitant towards supplements.

My understanding is the companion nutrients help carry bromide out of the body, which will then allow your body to properly absorb the iodine. 
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Kahno Pinay This is my daughter's experience with Iodine. She used it to get rid of Strep within 24 hrs. Iodine is MUCH more than a nutrient!Manage
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Mary Burgin Kahno Pinay those little white things look like "tonsil stones"
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Christine Tolczyk Mary Burgin that is a very bad case of them...
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Mary Burgin For real. But they are harmless.
Probably not strep...
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Christine Tolczyk Very white tongue...
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Kahno Pinay No, she's gotten Strep since she was a babe, and her mom as well. 3 yrs prior to this incident, she was at work in an ER as a tech, and noticed she was getting those white spots. She asked a doctor she worked with to look at her and give her something for it, which he did, and she filled it at the hospital pharmacy. Later on, she fainted on the floor in the ER, and was taken upstairs and hospitalized for 3 whole days until they got her back on her feet. It was absolutely Strep. My wife's brother also get Strep and almost had his tonsils taken out because of it, and after we gave him some Iodine, he also became a believer in Iodine
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Kahno Pinay White tongue is Candida. I have a coworker whose tongue was way worse than hers, and he tried everything under the sun to no avail. I just gave him Iodine and Oxypowder. Beautiful pink tongue
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Kahno Pinay Mary Burgin, harmless? I'll let you ask her if you want hehehe. On this occasion she sent these photos, she was in bed with a high fever and had chills, and couldn't swallow or eat. Within 30 mins of taking her first drink, she texted me back that she was now able to eat food, it had taken the pain away, and later that same day, took her kids to the park! Yeah, Iodine is the bomb!
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Kahno Pinay No, I've had tonsil stones, they come out, these white spots do not.
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Mary Burgin Yes,, my daughter had a few when she was little, I rushed to Dr, he took one out on a swab & put it in a culture, no infection. She coughed one out into her hand & freaked out. But she wasn't sick at that time.
I didn't know iodine was good for strep throat. 
I had my tonsils out when I was five, it was routine back then.
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Christine Tolczyk Kahno Pinay what protocol did she do for the strep? Supplementation (amount) or gargle or? I'm always curious how we can avoid antibiotics... thank you!
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Kahno Pinay A little boy I know named Axel who had an eye infection. Who'd have thought it was ok in the eyes? But it was, and I have used it as well, just don't have a photo of itManage
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Mair Hughes Iodine was banned by the EU in 2009, so it’s kind of an academic discussion if your in Europe...
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Éva LaRoche Following
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Carmen Fourie Nel Thank you for the info - will follow up on this
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Linda Hirschberg Kahno... I get that you are highly enthusiastic about iodine... I have supplemented for years in a variety of ways, Lugols, iodoral....
I became iodine sensitive... 
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Vonda Greek Smith What symptoms indicated you were “iodine sensitive”? I’ve never heard of such a thing.
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Lilly Victoria Madden Thats great news linda xo
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Kahno Pinay Linda, please do share what you mean by Iodine sensitive. Mostly we see things as being a sensitivity to the toxins Iodine will purge you of. Would you call it an allergy? Yes, I am pretty enthusiastic about it because I've seen so MANY helped by it. Is that what you mean when you say you get it?
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Lilly Victoria Madden Yea if you didnt make it yourself you dont know what your really taking.unless you have a deficiency theres no need too i agree !!
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Erika Ramseyer Thank you for posting this, it had been a good read. After blood tests, I am now taking nature-throid (pig thyroid to supplement mine, i believe?) And also I taking an iodine supplement. Idk if it's one or both or other factors, but I feel better in this last month than I have since originally going ZC.
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Lilly Victoria Madden Its probably a combo of everything .but thyriod ahould correct itself on diet so u dont need supplements except if the thryiod is 100 damaged some take theres out sounds like soon you will be healed alll together 
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Seemji Bernadino Loving this post. Get the info out there Kahno! Iodine really seems to be the "secret underworld" nutrient that is missing from our WOE - the key to fixing the little (or big) things that are still wrong despite adherence to a strict beef/water regimen!
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Jeremy Damsgard I believe thyroid and other hormone problems are so prevalent in women due to the pseudo-estrogens and other endocrine disrupting compounds contained in most all self-care products, especially make up.
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Kahno Pinay They certainly do not help the Iodine deficient situation any!
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Carmen Tina Lyman Iodine negatively impacted my cycle. After several months of intake, I ended up getting periods only 15 days apart, the second of which was painful - the first time I had a painful period since transitioning my diet nearly 3 years ago. I have since dropped the iodine and my periods are a dream again, aside from the length of the cycle, which seems carb-dependent for me.
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Sarah Thornber Carmen, when you say transitioning your diet, do you mean to ZC? Also - I'm curious what you mean by the length of your periods being carb dependant. Thanks!!
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Carmen Tina Lyman Sarah Thornber I switched to paleo/keto about 3 years ago and my pain stopped. I've been ZC about a year now. When I was keto and eating very low carb, my periods came about every 50+ days. Then I added more carbs back and the periods became regular again. Now ZC and they've been irregular the whole year.
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Sarah Thornber Hm, interesting, thanks! I find my periods need carbs too!
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April Lewis- Bolowich I've just begin looking into (and taking) thyroid supporting supplements such as iodine and selenium. 

I learned that one clear outward signal of a lack of iodine or underactive thyroid is a thinning and shortening of the outer half of the eyebrows. I
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Terri Stott I was all for iodine. I used it but then found out I had hyperfunctioning thyroid nodules. Not a good combination. But I agree iodine can be helpful.
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Michael FriezeMichael is an administrator in this group. She won't be able to see this since this group is closed, but she could join if she wants.
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Carla Pittman does iodine interact with kidney stones?
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Kahno Pinay Not that I am aware of. About a year ago, I had my first bout with kidney stones and did some studying on them. I found that they are most commonly made from calcium, and the more magnesium deficient you are, the more likely you are to get them. We are magnesium deficient because of our high carb/sugar lifestyles. For every one molecule of sugar, it takes 54 molecules of mag to process it, so we divert the sorely needed mag to process sugar, and over time, we become mag deficient. We see muscles cramps as well as heart attacks from lack of mag. Mag is also needed in order to absorb calcium, which we now we don't get enough of. It isn't that we don't GET enough, it is that we don't ABSORB enough. So we have all this calcium racing around in our bloodstream and never gets utilized in our bones, and so we see it hanging around on our teeth (tarter), narrowing our veins, and depositing in our kidneys. I was able to get rid of mine by simply drinking a mixture of fresh squeezed lemon juice and olive oil. I was actually in the ER with terrible pain but when I learned it was kidney stones, I left and took care of them myself, just as my MIL had done years before. 

What Iodine may very well do in the kidneys is prevent UTI's, since there is always going to be excess Iodine that goes to your kidneys. Iodine is not absorbed very quickly so when you supplement it, the excess is going out in the urine and can be measured.
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Marcine Page FYI!! Hashi's is not healed with iodine, could make it worse.
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Peter Baumbach I ‘m no expert on iodine, but thought your explanation could use a bit more on the alternatives your body uses when you are iodine deficient. I understand that bromine from anti caking agents for flour or some sodas will take the place of iodine which leads to hormones not working properly. But that supplementing iodine can release the bromine and cause other temporary problems until the bromine is purged. So that would be a factor in dosing and an explanation of lingering effects even after improving your way of eating.

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