Sunday 30 October 2016

Dairy - such as cheese and yogurt - are "histamine foods"; some people don't accept eggs

So, sincere question...why do so many people say, on this board as well as other LC boards, to drop all dairy "because it will stop weight loss." What exactly is the process, biologically, whereby that occurs? If a string cheese, for instance, has 1g of carbs, a dollop of sour cream less than .5 grams, I'm perplexed as to people's immediate insistence, as I see often, that if you're not losing weight it must be the cheese.
I'm not talking about people with dairy intolerance issues. And I know some people suggest this because it's easy to gorge on cheese if you're not careful, but that's not what I'm asking...I'm trying to understand what someone thinks is different about how the body processes a string cheese stick versus a burger patty that results in no weight loss. Huh? I just confess I've never understood this argument. I'm not trying to self-justify or anything, cheese is only an occasional condiment for me, I'm just sincerely trying to understand if this is biological reality or LC myth?
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Pascal Elzinga I have no idea what the biological or chemical explanation is but i do know that whenever I eat cheese, i do not lose an ounce of weight for a week.
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Siobhan Trueman I think it's because most people have intolerance and don't know
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Maria Niceq If someone is feeling healthy enough to exercise perhaps that could counter any weight issue with dairy?
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Susan Szczepanski In theory I could "counter" a cupcake with enough exercise....but that doesn't account for this cheese versus other LC/ZC foods idea.
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Anna Sofia It's hormones? (Have never heard of any other explanation, hmm)
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Anna Sofia You asked what dairies contains that stalls weightloss right? It is hormones. Dairies are for baby animals to grow. Not us
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Anna Sofia At least I get PMS of dairies but I'm completely free if I don't eat any daires.
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Susan Szczepanski Anna Sofia "Just [to get] the amount of IGF secreted in your saliva and digestive tract in a day, you'd have to drink about 95 quarts of milk," says Terry Etherton, PhD, a professor of dairy and animal science at Pennsylvania State University.

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an't think of anyone I know drinking 95 quarts of milk or milk products a day...but I sure know a lot who have been told to PUT DOWN THAT cheese stick because it WILL stall your weight loss. So...again....huh?
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Anna Sofia Hmmm... well if you say so, but I still wonder why I get PMS then. Apparantly don't get it from any other soure. Have amused myself with testing this for like 2 years. 24 months?
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Susan Szczepanski I would guess simple dairy products intolerance in your case.
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Anna Sofia I'm still not convinced though. But as I have no time to read on the subject, it stays like this for now.
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James Thomas Hormones don't survive digestion very well.
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Rachel Jackson Milk contains lactose (which is a sugar, and not allowed on ZC)
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Rachel Jackson At least that's MY reason for dropping milk!
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Sascha Heid The only thing i am aware of that makes sense to me is that the amino-acids in milk-products are especially powerful in "promoting growth" and thus might hinder you if you are trying to lose weight. Biologically it makes sense since an infant does not need to lose weight under *any* circumstances. If an adult runs out of food it burns it's body-fat, a baby however just starts crying until it gets more food (kinda like women sometimes). Babies grow at an enormous rate. There probably is always some use for calories in a growing baby and never any reason to lose body-fat.
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Susan Szczepanski Here is a really good discussion of the issue, but even its conclusions are fuzzy...http://www.marksdailyapple.com/dairy-insulin/
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Sally Emilio I think people mostly say that based on personal experience , it's certainly the case for me , I don't know the scientific explanation , sadly Keto diets are very under researched because there's no money for processed foods companies in Keto , so it might be a long time before we have all the answers
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Kathleen Kennedy Dairy - such as cheese and yogurt - are "histamine foods", and some people develop intolerance to dairy, thus inflammatory, and weight loss stalls.

Same with nuts.
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Sarah Muma I'm not convinced it does, unless you are intolerant and it causes inflammation. I think it is one of those things that people tend to parrot. There are so many reasons a person could stall in weight loss. A lot of people who mention it aren't even truly in a stall. Some reasons may not even be what you are eating, but what you are doing or how you are sleeping.
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Norma Laming They are quite insulinogenic but then, so are a lot of fish
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Sarah Muma I know some people who have said they got less of a response with fish than with beef.
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Norma Laming Fish don't affect the glucose levels but they stimulate an insulin response
Rachel Cobb Chamness It's something to try if your weight loss is stalling, I think. I never stopped dairy and lost more weight than I thought possible.
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Susan Szczepanski But along with Sarah above, I'm trying to get at whether this prevalent suggestion represents actual science/biology or is something of a myth that has developed in LC/ZC world over time. If some individuals are particularly sensitive to the histamines or hormones or whatever in dairy and find that stopping it calms their system down, then it would be natural for them to suggest that removing dairy "jump started their weight loss." Which is fine....except over time it takes on a quality of truth-for-all, which then becomes a sort of pseudoscientific "fact." Someone point out the biology in individuals who are not intolerant to dairy and I'll shut up, but that's the difference I'm trying to tease out.
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Susan Szczepanski To me, this is no different than ME saying, "To restore your gut health, you must cut out eggs".... because I am sensitive to eggs and that worked for me. But if you're not sensitive to eggs its unnecessary and perhaps even bad advice that can (in fact may already have) become "gospel" in certain LC circles.
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Kathleen Kennedy Susan Szczepanski try google - you'll find studies & articles supporting many views.

According to Phinney & Volek, dairy & nuts can cause weight loss stalls in some people.
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