Showing posts with label Vitamin D. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Vitamin D. Show all posts

Saturday, 13 January 2018

The sunshine vitamin? Really? The true cause of vitamin D deficiency. Five practicable tips.




To begin with, if you like having a nice sunbath, say, after swimming, don’t be sure that you’ve done enough to get the vitamin D your body needs. The source of our perpetual vitamin D deficiency lies in our diet, which contains less and less food of animal origin. We can hardly help with our vitamin D deficiency without changing our everyday diet or if we depend on sunshine alone.

Vitamin D has recently come into the focus of attention in the public mind as well as in medical science. Now it seems that its importance has at last been recognized. Almost everybody knows today that the level of vitamin D does not only affect the bones alone. In fact, low vitamin D levels can pose health risks such as various infections, and have been associated with cancer, cardiovascular diseases, and autoimmune diseases like multiple sclerosis and rheumatoid arthritis.

However, some misconceptions that still exist today about vitamin D need some clarification. One is, for instance, the question from what source man should (or can) obtain his vitamin D according to his evolutionary program.

When one enters a drugstore, a bio shop or perhaps a pharmacy, the large number of vitamin D preparations offered will take him aback. Could it be the answer to the vitamin D problem? Some say that it could, provided it is combined with sunshine exposure. Well, we would like to explain in this article why that is not the optimal choice.

It is a fact that in summer the sun’s ultraviolet beams (UV-B) produce a relatively large amount of vitamin D in our skin from a specified form of cholesterol. Scientists engaged in vitamin D research often cite data that show a correlation between the blood’s vitamin D level and the latitudes at which people live as well as the number of sunshine hours, to support the conviction that the primary source of vitamin D is the sun. They call vitamin D the “sunshine vitamin”, and a book on vitamin D with the same title has actually appeared in Hungary, too.

As we are proceeding north, we receive less and less sunlight, which strikes us at a smaller and smaller angle. Researchers on vitamin D usually agree that because of the lower angle of the Sun above certain latitudes it is impossible to meet our requirement for vitamin D from sunlight alone. In winter, above 50° latitude vitamin D is not synthesized in the skin at all. Furthermore, the half-life of the vitamin is three weeks, and if we do not get additional supplies, the amount of vitamin D in our blood could drop below a critical level in about two months.

It gives reason for thought, however, that areas above 50° latitude were always widely populated during the long history of humankind. The Inuit tribes, for example, conquered the Arctic regions up to a geographical altitude of 80° - and they did not need vitamin tablets or sunbeds to do that. Several peoples inhabited, or still inhabit, the areas above the Arctic Circle, where they do not receive much sunlight because the frosty environment does not allow them to take off their clothes outdoors. These people remain healthy and do not show symptoms of vitamin D deficiency as long as they defy the customs and dietary habits of the civilized part of the world.

It is quite easy to see that if the Sun were the only source of vitamin D, the Arctic communities would never have access to sufficient amounts of the vitamin. In the Ice Age, which actually occurred not too long ago (the last glacial period ended about 10,000 years ago), our ancestors had even less sunlight than they would have today. Man could definitely not survive the glaciations that occurred in the Paleolithic epoch (i.e. the last 2.6 million years) if he depended on the Sun as his main source of vitamin D.


A study testing the levels of vitamin D3 in the Komi, a Uralic ethnic group living in Russia, was conducted a few years ago. Measured was the vitamin D3 levels first in a group of the Komis who adhered to their traditions, including traditional eating habits (they engaged in reindeer herding), then in another group whose members abandoned their traditional lifestyle and moved to live in a town 30 kilometres away. There was no difference between the two groups in terms of sunlight exposure: both wore heavy winter clothes outdoors, covering their bodies from top to toe. However, the vitamin D3 levels of the group living their non-traditional life in the town, was significantly lower, while the same level in the group leading a traditional life and having a traditional diet was in the normal range.

The vitamin D3 blood levels in the Komi living a traditional life in the tundra and those living in town showed a significant difference.

There is also further evidence to prove that the vitamin D level greatly depends on nutrition, and that appropriate nutrition alone is able to supply a satisfactory amount of vitamin D to our body even if we miss sunlight and don’t take vitamin D tablets. A study of the Inuit living in Greenland has found that the more western-type foods, such as fruits, vegetables, breads and pastries, milk and milk products, the local indigenous Inuits ate, the lower the vitamin D level in their blood was. And, conversely, the more traditional Inuit foods like meat and fat they consumed (that is, the more they retained the paleo-ketogenic diet), the higher the vitamin D level was in their blood.
The Greenlandic inuit have progressively abandoned their traditional lifestyle and diet. At the same time, the more often they eat traditional Inuit foods, the higher their vitamin D levels are. The vitamin D levels of the Inuit eating traditional dishes (fish, whale, sea mammals) are close to 30 ng/ml, which can be considered normal


The correlation between latitudes and vitamin D sufficiency researchers have been “used to” (i.e. that the farer we travel north, the lower vitamin D levels we find) would immediately disappear if they paid attention to hunter and gatherer populations and other peoples close to nature. A study analysing groups of people with European and non-European roots separately, found that vitamin D blood levels in locations far from the Equator decreased only in the case of Europeans (Hagenau and colleagues, 2008).

In the Paleolithic period, our ancestors hunted wild animals for meat all the year round, though sunlight-triggered vitamin D synthesis was limited to only a few months of the year, in the same way as today. It is then a logical conclusion that man during his long evolutionary history relied much more on nutrition than on sunlight.


ACTIVE AND INACTIVE VITAMIN D


Vitamin D3 from the diet or skin synthesis is inactive (25(OH)D). This inactive form is stored in the liver and fatty tissues and converts to active vitamin D (1.25(OH)D) mainly in the kidney and, to a lesser extent, in the liver and other tissues if needed. In fact, it is this active form that plays a role in our body and that many systems in our body may need. The conversion of inactive vitamin D to active vitamin D is a matter of key importance and may alter some of our views of the role of vitamin D in our health.


We almost perfectly know the biochemical steps in which inactive vitamin D transforms into active vitamin D, although there still are some unanswered questions. What we know for sure, however, is that calcium, phosphate, and fructose influence the transformation of the inactive form into active form in a quite complicated process.


On the other hand, the same factors, and various others, for instance the inflammation factors in our body, also affect the degradation of active vitamin D3. These are intricate biochemical mechanisms and their understanding requires profound knowledge of physiology. Self-appointed dietitians certainly do not dispose of such knowledge, so we might easily be misguided if we consult them on vitamin D.


The key to the vitamin D issue is not only how much inactive vitamin D3 enters our body, but also how it becomes useful active vitamin D3. If we listened to the self-designed paleo advisors, who are attracted to vegetable-and-fruit based diets as a rule (for instance, the nowadays trendy but entirely unscientific AIP diet), two or three fruits a day could easily ruin effective inactive-active vitamin D transformation.


Here follows an excellent physiological survey on vitamin D recommended for specialists as well as beginners who wish to improve their knowledge. It was written some time ago, but the basics of physiology do not change.


The following statements are in place about vitamin D based on biochemical, physiological and ecological research findings:



The reason for continual vitamin D deficiency in civilized human beings lies in their diets. Ever since we were warned against eating animal-based nutriments, our vitamin D levels have constantly been low.

Well, don’t think that your love of the sun and sunbathing will solve your vitamin D problem. If you want your vitamin D3 level to be balanced, if you want to ensure your child’s well-being and maximally diminish the risk of cancer, autoimmune disease and other diseases of civilization, consider these five important advices:


We should take a complex approach to our diet instead of getting lost in the multitude of nutrients and foods. Even petty errors can have fatal consequences. Our advice is to follow the nutritional trail ideal for human beings: the paleo-ketogenic diet. We may, of course, depart from this method and let ourselves be tempted by the allures of gastronomy, but in that case we might end up paying for our mistake.

Let me make a personal comment. It’s been evident ever since the heroic age of the paleo diet in Hungary, that the assumption that we should get the vitamin D we need from sunlight, cannot be accepted. Then it turned out that vitamin D supplements, like any other food supplements, pose certain health risks because they may enhance intestinal permeability and indirectly potentiate inflammatory and autoimmune responses. All the same, a book on popular paleo has also come out to contribute to the pseudoscientific approach to the vitamin D issue. Nonetheless, things seem to be getting clearer maybe, because once everything will fall into place anyway. (Dr Csaba Tóth)

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English translation: Annamária Zsengellér

References
https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminD-HealthProfessional/

Adriana S. Dusso, Alex J. Brown, Eduardo Slatopolsky. Vitamin D. American Journal of Physiology - Renal Physiology Jul 2005, 289 (1) F8-F28

Douard V, Ferraris RP. The role of fructose transporters in diseases linked to excessive fructose intake. J Physiol. 2013 Jan 15;591(2):401-14.

https://www.hse.ru/pubs/share/direct/document/89616858

Andersen S, Jakobsen A, Rex HL, Lyngaard F, Kleist IL, Kern P, Laurberg P. Vitamin D status in Greenland--dermal and dietary donations. Int J Circumpolar Health. 2013 Aug 5;72. doi: 10.3402/ijch.v72i0.21225. eCollection 2013.

Hagenau T, Vest R, Gissel TN, Poulsen CS, Erlandsen M, Mosekilde L, Vestergaard P. Global vitamin D levels in relation to age, gender, skin pigmentation and latitude: an ecologic meta-regression analysis. Osteoporos Int. 2009 Jan;20(1):133-40.


Scientific publications of the authors on vitamin D:

Altbäcker A, Plózer E, Darnai G, Perlaki G, Orsi G, Nagy SA, Lucza T, Schwarcz A, Kőszegi T, Kovács N, Komoly S, Janszky J, Clemens Z. Alexithymia is associated with low level of vitamin D in young healthy adults. Nutr Neurosci. 2014 17:284-8. 
Plózer E, Altbäcker A, Darnai G, Perlaki G, Orsi G, Nagy SA, Schwarcz A, Kőszegi T, Woth GL, Lucza T, Kovács N, Komoly S, Clemens Z, Janszky J. Intracranial volume inversely correlates with serum 25(OH)D level in healthy young women. Nutr Neurosci. 2015;18:37-40.
Clemens Z, Holló A, Kelemen A, Rásonyi G, Fabó D, Halász P, Janszky J, Szűcs A. Seasonality in epileptic seizures. J Neurol Transl Neurosci 2013 1: 1016.
Holló A, Clemens Z, Lakatos P. Epilepsy and vitamin D. Int J Neurosci. 2014 Jun;124(6):387-93.
Holló A, Clemens Z, Kamondi A, Lakatos P, Szűcs A. Correction of vitamin D deficiency improves seizure control in epilepsy: a pilot study. Epilepsy Behav. 2012 May;24(1):131-3.


The Paleomedicina approach is that of evolutionary medicine which has a wholly scientific basis. We do not use naturopathic methods and we distance ourselves from such methods. Our scientific papers published in international medical journals can be viewed here.

2018-01-10


https://www.paleomedicina.com/en/vitamin_D_sunshine_vitamin_cause_of_vitamin_d_deficiency

Thursday, 16 November 2017

Vitamin D supplementation is not recommended.

Summary: Vitamin D supplementation is not recommended.

Amy Van Oostende In case anyone is interested in why supplementing with Vitamin D may NOT be a good idea.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23981518


https://chriskresser.com/vitamin-d-more-is-not-better/

https://chrismasterjohnphd.com/.../the-evolution-of.../

http://my-magnesium.com/hormone-d.html

https://academic.oup.com/.../doi/10.1210/jc.2012-1176...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4160567/



10000iu vit d3.... A bit excessive no?
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Sam Swinea Go outside, eat animal fat
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Gail Cashin Have you been tested? I take 5000iu in winter only as never see much daylight. It depends on where you are in the world.
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Brandon VanDynhoven Wisconsin. And I work third shift
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Sam Swinea The sun should be coming up when you get off. Get 20-30 mins out there
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Brandon VanDynhoven Then I wake up and don't wanna sleep lol. I'm not against the sun I'm just stuck on third and it blows lol
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Gail Cashin Yes you will probably need it then. Also try blue blocking glasses they help with shift workers and sleep.
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Gail Cashin Take it when you wake up not before sleep.
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Richard Harris Sam Swinea The ideal time of day for getting Vit-D via the sun is 10am-2pm and your latitude may make the time window narrower as well as time of the year.
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Richard Harris I take 10,000 IU Vit-D3 daily, and last tested mine was 73.1 ng/ml
I work in IT so I'm inside most of the day.
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Brandon VanDynhoven I don't know what that means (73.1ng/ml)
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Richard Harris The blood test for Vit-D level is "Vit D 25-Hydroxy"
Per Life Extension the ideal is between 30 and 100 ng/mL
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Brandon VanDynhoven Nice, I really need to have some kind of check up or blood work done
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Richard Harris Brandon VanDynhoven What I did was this
http://www.lifeextension.com/.../ite.../NMR-LipoProfile-PLUS
it includes the Vit-D test as well as some others.
The NMR LipoProfile Plus blood test panel…
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John Kemp Don't take supplements unless you know you need it (I take vit D 2000iu a day, but my levels were measured at 19 ng/mL == low)
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Brandon VanDynhoven Richard Harris any reason you did this over going to a doctor? I mean obviously diets like these are generally shunned upon but any other reasons?
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Richard Harris Brandon VanDynhoven Just that since I don't get sick hardly ever I don't have a regular doctor, thus I don't feel like trying to find a good one just for some test I want. I used my HSA so not a big deal.
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Charles Brewster Jr. Make sure you take Vitamin K2 with it.
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Richard Harris Ideally take the K2 at a different time of day, IIRC A, D and K2 will compete for receptors.
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Amy Van Oostende Yikes. I don't recommend that anyone take supplemental vitamin D.
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Joanne Hope Oh really Amy? Do tell us how we're supposed to get optimal Vit D levels then?
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Gail Cashin Does it not depend on where you live? It's dark in North Europe at 4pm, we are told to take it.
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Joanne Hope Yes it does, Gail Cashin. Apparently Amy is in need of a geography lesson among other things. Lol
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Amy Van Oostende Thanks, Joanne Hope. I have dug very deep into this research and feel quite comfortable not recommending it. It's not so cut and dried as you are assuming. I'll bow out of this conversation now as I'm not interested in nastiness. Good luck to you.
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Gail Cashin Joanne Hope People just forget we are world wide now.
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Joanne Hope Yeah. Lol
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Fredrik Inngjerdingen Forså In parts of the northern hemisphere, you will get little to no vitamin D from the sun during most of winter. Supplementation is the best way to maintain healthy levels. 

Sure, if you have access to the sun all year, that's great - you probably don't n
eed to supplement. In Norway not supplementing during winter will cause your levels to drop, and you can't really balance it out from a diet that doesn't have supplementation in it.
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Ann Margaret How did the arctic peoples get their Vit D when it was dark for many months of the year and even when it was summer they never took their clothes off very much because it was freezing?
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Emily Christiansen Shufeldt No need to be so rude to Amy Van Oostende. She was expressing her opinion. There are other ways to get vit D besides the sun; pastured lard, fish eggs, just some examples. Some how my family survived in northern Norway without needing supplements.
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Richard Harris Ann Margaret Polar bear liver, but it also has lethal levels of Vit-A, so gotta be careful.
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Ann Margaret Richard Harris Don't remember Stefansson mentioning much about the Inuit eating many polar bears in his books? The point here is that its been proven over and over that sufficient Vit D can come from the diet and the need for sunshine is exaggerated otherwise northern peoples would have died out a long time ago.
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Joanne Hope Nope. I took 10,000 IU and my blood tested on the low side of optimal
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Fredrik Inngjerdingen Forså "CONCLUSIONS:
Our preliminary findings indicate it is possible that magnesium intake alone or its interaction with vitamin D intake may contribute to vitamin D status. The associations between serum 25(OH)D and risk of mortality may be modified by the 
intake level of magnesium. Future studies, including cohort studies and clinical trials, are necessary to confirm the findings."

Nothing here really says that supplementing with vitamin D is a bad thing? This is mostly related to high doses of magnesium, which is another thing entirely.
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Amy Van Oostende You really need to read all of the stuff I posted to get the bigger picture.
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Fredrik Inngjerdingen Forså My bad, only saw the first link, which facebook advertised. 

I've read through most of them, with the exception of your third link, which is just a wall of text, in serious need of a tldr, and references.


Have a look at this, and the listed references at the bottom, if you wish to get insight from another angle. 
https://www.vitamindcouncil.org/.../how-do-i-get-the.../

Also, you could check out examine for a more adequate list of research.
https://examine.com/supplements/vitamin-d/
Learn from what sources you can get vitamin D…
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Amy Van Oostende The Chris Masterjohn link was extensive. You must be a fast reader! 
In any case I just posted a few resources. There's plenty more but I have a feeling we will have to agree to disagree on this.
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Fredrik Inngjerdingen Forså Amy Van Oostende Not as fast as you, though "with the exception of your third link, which is just a wall of text, in serious need of a tldr, and references."
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Fredrik Inngjerdingen Forså Amy Van Oostende And it would seem like it. How a nutritionist can blatantly say that all vitamin D supplementation is wrong, is beyond me. Especially considering the global aspects of this group.
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Stephanie Sullivan Tackett When I tested very low, that's the dose my doctor put me on for about 6 weeks then had me taper down.
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Fredrik Inngjerdingen Forså If your levels are low ( lower than 100), 10k iu a day will get rid of the deficit, and then you can maintain with 10k every second or third day, after a couple of weeks, or so. Get tested regularly, and stop when you reach a satisfying level (100-150nmol).

I was down to 30nmol, took ~45k a day for a week, and boom, up to ~150. Helped get rid of some fatigue symptoms. Also, supplement with k2 for improved efficiency.
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Richard Harris Be sure to include the unit of measure, the test I had done reported in ng/mL (not mol) so some unit conversion might be needed.
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Dave Ma I take 12.000, works just fine
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Zack Warneke My endocrinologist had me on 100, 000iu once a week for almost a year started eating better and took me down to 10k every other day after last test
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Sebastien Fortier Here my results at different dosage,to give you a idea.
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Gail Cashin Can you say where you are in the world.
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Sebastien Fortier Quebec,Canada and i work inside so very little contact to sunlight
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Viktors Leonovs Seems like the sweet spot is between 9-12k for ya
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Sebastien Fortier The question is: Where is the sweet spot? I've read a lot about the subject in the last 4 years and many "expert" seem to have different opinion about what is the optimum level,some say to much can be detrimental even if it's far from toxicity and whe...See More
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Viktors Leonovs I am a tad undecided on that as well, but I think around a 100ng/ml up to 150 oughta be okay. Gotta refresh my knowledge though
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Sebastien Fortier You got your unity wrong here,100 ng/mL is quite high..100 nmol/L to 150 nmol/L make more sense.
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Viktors Leonovs These folks state 40 - 80 as sufficient
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Viktors Leonovs Err, forgot the link, here

https://www.vitamindcouncil.org/.../testing-for-vitamin-d/
The Vitamin D Council discusses the…
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Sebastien Fortier Yeah,like i've mention,we just don't know for sure "where to shoot".One thing for sure,if you don't expose yourself to direct sunlight often,some supplementation should be beneficial.
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Gregg Sheehan As far as toxicity goes, there has been no study to show that 10,000IU daily has any toxicity in humans and only one poorly conducted study showing that 20,000IU daily caused mild serum calcium elevation (but not toxicity).
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Gregg Sheehan I measured 64 nmol/L coming out of winter 2015. I started supplementing at 5000IU daily and the same time the following year my reading was 178 nmol/L. This year I recorded 164 nmol/L. My wife measured a year ago at 46 nmol/L and started supplementing ...See More
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Viktors Leonovs I have taken up to 20'000 I.U. per day for almost a month, doc said nothing of my cholecalciferol status after recent blood tests, so I am probably still not in the OD range.

It matters how much you have stored, not just how much you ingest, mate.
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Richard Harris I took 40,000IU daily for multiple years and didn't have any OD symptoms.
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Viktors Leonovs Richard Harris, were you deficient prior to that?
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Gail Cashin I like post like this, but we need to say where we are in the world, instead of saying the amount we are using. Someone in Singapore or Florida will not need the same as North Europe or Canada. Plus I like seeing how far PC is worldwide.  So I will say London UK 5000iu, winter only.
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Viktors Leonovs Currently Tilburg, NL, previously Riga, LV.

Terminal shut-in, hence the large dosages.
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Gail Cashin Where are you Cindi? are you concerned about Vit D?
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Cindi Derosier Anderson Gail Cashin yes very much so. I have sever osteoporosis due to celiacs disease. I've been able to have stable numbers with CLO and natural ligjt
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Gail Cashin Where are you in the world? Glad that CLO is helping.
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Sarah Cole Schultheis I take 10000 per day.
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John Cunningham Unless you have a test result to correct.
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Kahno Pinay No, that's how much I took for 9 months in order to get my level above the low end of the scale, then went to 5000
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Jenna Fuhlendorf I take that every day. Just do liquid. Tablets are pointless