Wednesday, 19 July 2017

Salt - if using salt, adequate potassium has to be taken to balance the sodium in salt

Hey guys. If I want to go off salt completely, is there another way to get sodium? Do I need it? Has anyone ever experimented with going off of all supplements such as electrolytes and vitamins? Or is there anyone who literally only ingests meat (no salt, no supplements)? Thanks!
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Esmée La Fleur Yes, the group owner Michael Frieze and his girlfriend have been salt-free and take no supplements for about 7 years now. All they eat is beef.
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July 16 at 8:53am
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Esmée La Fleur Additionally, the Andersen's have been salt-free and take no supplements for over 20 years now.
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Esmée La Fleur https://zerocarbzen.com/.../zero-carb-interview-michael.../
Zero Carb Interview: Michael Frieze
1. How long have you been eating a Zero Carb (No Plant Foods) diet? I started eating a low carbohydrate diet in…
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Esmée La Fleur https://zerocarbzen.com/.../zero-carb-interview-samantha.../
Zero Carb Interview: Samantha Taylor
1. How long have you been eating a Zero Carb (No Plant Foods) diet? I started back in 2011, so it’s been about…
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Esmée La Fleur The Full Andersen Family Interview:

After 20 years on only beef, this family is thriving. ...See More
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Esmée La Fleur The Bear also ate no salt and took no supplements for 50 years.

https://zerocarbzen.com/the-bear/
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Owsley Stanley, aka “The Bear” The following excerpts have been extracted from the comments Mr. Stanley…
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Walter Ebdon And he died because of it
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Lise Anderson He died in a car accident.
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Esmée La Fleur Walter Ebdon eschewing salt had absolutely nothing to with his death. Lise is correct.
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July 16 at 8:31pm
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Esmée La Fleur Here is a link to my article on salt 

http://zerocarbzen.com/salt/
Salt
Should salt be included in a Zero Carb diet? The subject of salt is a bit complex. On the one hand, Owsley “The…
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Esmée La Fleur I have been ZC for 2.5 years and have recently decided to eliminate salt to see how I do without it. The first month was very difficult due to extreme hypotension and very dry lips. But the second month has been way easier. Adapting to no salt is very similar to adapting to no carbohydrates. It takes time and the process can be unpleasant.
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Fernanda SF Also curious, how are you finding it now, in addition to being easier? Any benefits or changes?
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July 16 at 9:43am
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Esmée La Fleur Fernanda SF too soon to tell, but the main reason I am doing this is because I fast a lot and I don't want to be dependent on salt. If I eat salt, then going off salt during a fast makes the fast a lot harder. I want to move seemlessly between eating and fasting without issue. I hope that makes sense.
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July 16 at 9:48am
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Simona Laza Esmée La Fleur May I ask, please, why are you fasting more than earlier? What health benefits are you trying to achieve? I think you fasted once as long as 7 days, together with your German Shepard?
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July 17 at 5:55pm
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Esmée La Fleur Simona Laza I have Mast Cell Activation Syndrome (MCAS). I react to everything I eat. Beef is the only food I feel good on and even that has to be super fresh and low in histamines. Before I knew what was wrong with me (I have been sick for 30 years), I discovered that fasting would reduce the inflammation in my GI tract and allow me to start eating again. There has actually been a study now showing that ketones stabilize mast cells, both via a Ketogenic diet and fasting. I have done many longer fasts of 2-4 weeks in length over the years because it was the only thing that ever helped me. The fast I did with my dog was 16 days. I am experimenting with every other day fasting to see if it can serve as a long term strategy for me to stay functional without needing to do longer fasts which can be quite incapacitating, and to negate the need for medication. MCAS is not curable, so it is all about trigger avoidance and symptom management.
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Simona Laza  Thank you. I send you hugs and many good wishes! 
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Michael Frieze Yeah, salt is one of those weird things that I don't think we have figured out just yet. 

I don't add salt to my food, but that is because I feel better this way. When I eat salt, I feel worse. My skin feels gross, I feel lethargic, and heavy. 

I don't like recommending people to cut out salt like I did since this is uncharted territory. I always have to make this claim when talking about salt. I don't want anyone to get hurt. It isn't easy to adapt to it and you have to be careful. My girlfriend passed out on me at a concert one time when she first started cutting out salt and I had to carry her through a crowd of people on new years eve. It was really hot and she wasn't drinking much water, because she didn't want to have to use the bathroom since the lines were so long. It was a sold out show and everyone was squeezed together. It was hot, sweaty, and hard to breathe at times. The flashing strobe lights and standing on your feet for 5 hours while dancing wasn't helping anything. It was a recipe for disaster and we shouldn't have put her through that when trying to adapt to this situation, but I carried her out of there and got her outside to cool down, drink some water, and we put some salt on her tongue. 

So, the point is, just be careful. In can be dangerous when first starting out. It took us many months to get used to it.
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July 16 at 9:26am
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Fernanda SF Thank you! I am curious and would like to try going off of it. I'll be sure to prepare for an adaptation period.
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July 16 at 9:41am
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Michael Frieze I recommend keeping some sodium around to put a pinch of it on your tongue every now and then if you start to feel too dizzy.
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July 16 at 10:10am
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Esmée La Fleur Also read the FAQs in our group files.
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July 16 at 9:50am
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Sat-Sung Kalman Hassid When I'm too low in salt I feel weak and lightheaded and sick. Perhaps it's because I live in a hot climate and enjoys sport so I sweat a lot and my use is greater than my intake via food alone. I admit to never having tried to cut it out altogether an...See More
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Michael Frieze That is typical for anyone that is too low in salt and too low is relative to what you are used to. So, to get adapted to a lower amount of salt, you have to go through a period of adaption that takes quite a while.
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July 16 at 12:18pm
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Evans Dealio i sweat buckets too. No ac in the south, of course. I tried no salt for a bit and it was awful. 

I also was eating 12g of salt at this time last year.. so. much less now. I don't measure it out anymore and use at will. Some days I eat no salt, other I drink sole water. ...See More
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Kara Smith Same for me if I do not take Potassium and Mag I will get severe leg cramps in the middle of the night, not fun! Certain supplements are needed so please read all the posted info about it 
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July 16 at 12:22pm
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Michael Frieze I had severe leg cramps as well for many months. I didn't have a community to get any help, so I didn't know what to do about them. I just suffered and eventually they went away, but it sucked! I wish I would have tried taking potassium back then. 

I have not had a single cramp in my body since I first began this diet almost 7 years ago and don't take any supplements what so ever.
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July 16 at 12:38pm
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Kara Smith Michael Frieze That's amazing and I am sure you are drinking a lot of H2o too? I know they need to go together. I get them if I don't take the Mag and Pot. You must be getting your electrolytes in some other matter perhaps? Salt is important and if...See More
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July 16 at 12:43pm
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Esmée La Fleur This is such a great thread on #salt thanks to all of Michael's detailed responses.
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July 16 at 1:32pm
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Georgina Jewkes Salt - I have it to taste rarely, when I crave it, maybe once or twice a month. Otherwise I don't bother with it at all, I find that it makes me feel bad. As Michael said, lethargic & bloated + I get cramps from it.

I like the taste of salt when I crave it.
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July 16 at 2:37pm
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Terri Stott I am over two years ZC and I want to go supplement free as well. Lately I have been using much less salt. I noticed it lowered my requirements for potassium. I used to be dizzy all the time and potassium helped. Now I don't need to take it. Only if I had really salty bacon. 
I have a really hard time water fasting and I was told in OKL that potassium was probably what the problem. And I think B complex. But I'm not sure. I find the more supplements I would take the more variables there were. Mineral balancing seems impossible. So slowly I want my body to get used animal products mostly beef and eggs.
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July 16 at 5:52pm
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Michael Frieze That makes sense that you would get dizzy if you had too much sodium. For the sodium potassium pumps of the cells to work properly, potassium should be more abundant than sodium. It is all about balance and you are correct that it is very difficult to manage that balance yourself. It just doesn't make any sense to always try to balance this stuff out yourself in my opinion. So, I always try to find a simple way of dealing with these kinds of complex situations and that usually ends up being the natural way.
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July 16 at 6:07pm
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Terri Stott Michael that makes so much sense.
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July 16 at 6:50pm
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Fernanda SF Yep, that's the feeling I'm getting! I know supplements are unnatural and that bothers me.
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July 16 at 7:04pm
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Michael Frieze In some cases supplements might be needed, though. Especially if you had blood test done and can see certain area's that need improvement.
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July 16 at 10:04pm
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Terri Stott Michael for sure!
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July 16 at 10:05pm
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Dave O'Donnell I stoped salt due to the effect it had on my stomach. I have a bit of ground pepper. Bar that its beef, chicken and water.
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Werner Kujnisch I feel so much better since I gave all sodium chloride. There is natural sodium in beef and eggs.
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