Tuesday, 22 November 2016

125 grams protein; 250 grams fat (note - almost 100 grams each of fat and protein per day); Fats: Butter and Coconut oil

Summary:

Steffanson's diet was 80% fat - 125 grams protein and 250 grams fat per day.

Getting the correct percentage of fat is important. Note - Koujou while eating a little more protein (160 grams) compared to fat (100 grams) did not do well. He had brain fog, tiredness, and carvings.

But when he moved to 70-80% fat and 20-30% protein, about 100 grams protein and 100 grams fat, he is clear-minded, able to sleep better, and has no cravings.

Fats that he eats: Butter and Coconut oil (since the meat at his place is lean as it is in many other places.)

Note from below: even Esmee La Fleur after two years of trying is finding it difficult to get 80% fat. (Your note; Perhaps, goat tripe and brain could provide adequate amount 80% fat).

Esmée La Fleur I have known for some time that I need about 80% of my calories from fat, but I have had a heck of a time finding a cut I can eat that would provide it. But even when I did manage to get enough fat, the quality of the fat on the cheaper cuts of beef does not agree with me the way the fat on the PRIME grade does. 

After almost two years on ZC, I am still making discoveries like this and refining my program. 

but I have not had the opportunity to try freshly made raw butter.

Astrid Tanis - When I started this WOE I could not tolerate coconut fat. Now after one and a half year ZC I seem to tolerate small amounts, and I like the taste.

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Today's meal - inspired by Werner Kujnisch :-)
300 gr / 10,5 oz raw ground beef
2 raw eggs
70 gr / 2,4 oz butter
coffee (blended with some of the 70 gr butter and 1 TSP MCT)
1 TSP coconut oil
Since reading "Eat fat. Grow slim" by R. Mackarnass I have been experimenting with upping fat and decreasing protein. I used to eat one huge meal with lots of protein - between 120 and 160 gr of protein and 80 to 100 gr of fat - but in the last couple of months I started to notice tiredness, cravings which caused me to snack on cheese (my bane!), and worst of all, bouts of brainfog.
Then I read "Eat fat. Grow slim" and decided to go for more fat and less protein. Well, I am clear-minded again, I sleep like a baby, and I no longer feel the need to snack on cheese.
Now I am eating between 80 to 100 gr of protein and 100 to 120 gr of fat. So, about 70 to 80% fat and 30 to 20% protein - very much as advised by Mackarnass or as done by Stefansson.
I add fat in the form of butter and coconut oil (I like it) because even so-called fatty meat is very lean over here.
I am normal weight by now. I'd like to lose another 10 pounds, not because I have to but because I want to be faster at boxing and I feel that those 10 pounds are holding me back. I don't know if it will work on this protocol, but right now, I am enjoying this utter clarity of mind :-)
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Lynda Raina That looks delicious! 
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Werner Kujnisch Now you're making me hungry ... LOL.
Amy Menke How many days have you been doing this, Stephany? And have you noticed any weight/inches lost yet?
Stephany Koujou About 2 weeks. And 2 pounds gone ðŸ˜€
Amy Menke Wow! That's great! Glad to hear your mental clarity is better, too. If I don't eat enough fat, I notice hunger/cravings, too, but no brain fog. A need for more fat could likely be the reason that I'm having trouble eating 23:1 IF consistently. I often eat a second meal, and I think it's because my body is craving some fat. I may need to consider swapping out some of my protein for more fat for a while and see how it goes.
Stephany Koujou For me, the hunger/cravings came first. So, I upped my protein thinking that would fix it, but on the contrary, more hunger/cravings and then the dreaded brain fog. That reminded me too much of my high carb days  Also, the weight was creeping up again. So less protein and more fat for me  I think it is no coincidence that Stefanson called his book "The fat of the land" and not the "The protein of the land".
Esmée La Fleur Stefansson 's diet was 80% fat by calories. 125 gm protein and 250 gm fat.
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Mela Widmer I wish I could eat butter. Lately I've been dreaming about cheese. A sure sign of fat cravings. To add to that I've been taking the outer layer of fat from my rib fillets because it goes rancid very quickly and I don't like the taste of it either. So I am not getting nearly as much fat as I should and this makes me very sad. And we all know fat makes you happy and alert. Oh dear what to do????? Great to read you are doing so well on all that fat Stephany Koujou. Thanks for all your great pictures!
Stephany Koujou Mela Widmer Sorry to hear about your troubles with the fat. Why can't you eat butter? Can you do ghee/clarified butter? What about coconut oil? For me, the combination of butter/Coconut oil seems to be perfect. I am also okay with raw beef fat. I get it freshly ground from the butcher and then freeze it portionwise. I am also sure now that my cheese cravings were a need for more fat. Because ever since upping the fat they are gone. Last week I tried again two days with less fat, and sure enough, in the afternoon I was eating cheese as if there was no tomorrow.
Mela Widmer Oh I am allergic to butter (it is high in histamine) and I don't do well on coconut fat. Probably because the high salicylate content. I will try them again next year but I don't like the taste of coconut fat. I am fasting for a week but when I return to meat I will get some really fatty fillets. 
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Esmée La Fleur Now that I have found a meat with enough good quality fat on it, I am feeling much better. The PRIME grade New York Strip Loin purchased in bulk from Costco has made my life so much easier. My body is responding to it better than it has to any cut of beef I have tried, including the CHOICE grade version of this same cut. The PRIME grade is like a totally different food. The difference in how I feel after eating it has astonished me. I have known for some time that I need about 80% of my calories from fat, but I have had a heck of a time finding a cut I can eat that would provide it. But even when I did manage to get enough fat, the quality of the fat on the cheaper cuts of beef does not agree with me the way the fat on the PRIME grade does. After almost two years on ZC, I am still making discoveries like this and refining my program. The right amount of good quality fat makes my brain and body so much happier. And I can only have my meat and fat raw.
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Stephany Koujou I have no way of getting such fatty meat here. I asked my butcher once about real fatty steaks and he said he would get me some, but well, the result was disappointing. They were not fatty at all  I am doing very well on the chuck that I buy in thesupermarket. Sometimes I am lucky and there is a lot of fat on them - then I don't add as much butter. I am glad I am doing well on butter and coconut oil - otherwise it would be really difficult to get all the fat I need.
Astrid Tanis Here in the Netherlands meat is also to lean. Sadly I can't do butter or ghee. But I do good on rendered fat. When I started this WOE I could not tolerate coconut fat. Now after one and a half year ZC I seem to tolerate small amounts, and I like the taste.
Stephany Koujou For me, it is the other way round. I cannot do rendered fat but maybe it will come in time. However, I am perfectly happy with butter and coconut oil 
Esmée La Fleur Yes, it is a blessing to be able to eat butter and coconut oil.
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Mela Widmer Esmée La Fleur Do you think people like ourselves will ever be able to eat butter ?
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Kara Smith I have not been losing much weight for awhile now and after seeing the pic of the meal above I wonder if I am eating enough fat! I don't eat all day and then when I do I can hardly eat much.
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Esmée La Fleur Mela Widmer for me, it is unlikely, but I have not had the opportunity to try freshly made raw butter.
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Amy Menke Thanks for this post, Stephany! This thread is a great read!
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Stephany Koujou You're welcome! And I agree, lots of great info  I'll keep everyone updated with my high fat experiment!

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